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    The Warrior Deeps Small Sons Guide

    "THIS IS NOW OUTDATED, AND WONT BE UPDATED"

    DISCLAIMER ALERT: no explaination will be made as to why and how all this magical way of playing come in to existance, and yes they are accurate and up to date for RAID DUMMY parses. (ID gear, lvl 50, no consumables)

    "Last updated 10-10"


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    51 Para / 15 RB / 0 Temp

    Rotation:
    Sli->FS RW FB->SM RW IB->SS RW (SS)
    Sli->FS RW FB->SS RW IB->DT FL

    DPS Quota: 6000+

    Ability Listing:
    Sli = strike like iron
    SS = swift strike
    RW = rising waterfall
    FB = fiery burst
    DT = death touch
    SB = shifting blades
    FL = flurry
    FS = Flamespear
    SM = Setting Moon
    (SS) = extra swiftstrike if stuff doesnt come out of cd in time for u, for me they do cuz i have 300 ping on them US based servers.

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    51 BM / 15 RB / 0 Temp

    Start up: CS CS CS->TS
    Rotation: B B B FB->B B B IB->B B B FB->B B B TS

    Note: Every 3 finishers, use CS FI FS over B B B, or if u are uber 1337 defilemancer playa u can manually keep those 3 up.
    Note #2: Spam R when energy over 50.

    DPS Quota: 4200+

    Ability listing:
    CS = Cutting Slash
    TS = Tearing Slash
    FI = Fierce Strike
    FS = flame spear
    B = Macroed abilities: Cunning Ruse->Vicious blow
    R = Reactives: Flesh rip->Vicious Oppertunity->Messy Wounds

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    41 RV / 25 RB/ 0 Temp

    ST Rotation:
    FR BF FS IF FB SS NW RS EIF DC
    FR BF FS IF FB SS NW RS EIF IB

    DPS Quota: 4000

    AOE Rotation:
    FR BF FS(F) IF EB SS NW CS EIF DC
    FR BF FS(F) IF EB SS NW CS EIF EB

    DPS Quota: over 9000 (3 target)

    Ability Listing:
    FR = flesh rot
    BF = blood fever
    RS = ravaging strike
    IF = infestation
    FB = fiery burst
    SS = soul sickness
    NW = necrotic wounds
    EIF = explosive infestation
    VC = Dire corruption
    IB = icy burst
    EB = earth burst
    CS = cyclone strike
    FS = flamespear
    FS(F) = flamespear with fork macroed in

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    41 RV / 18 Temp / 7 RB (or 17 temp 8 rb?, they changed the position of flame spear last patch, not sure if permanent, get it, it is good).

    ST Rotation:
    SP FR SS IF FB NW BF FS EIF DC
    SP FR SS IF FB NW BF FS EIF IB

    DPS Quota: 4400

    Ability listing:
    SP = shock pulse
    FR = flesh rot
    SS = soul sickness
    IF = infestation
    FB = fiery burst
    NW = necrotic wounds
    BF = blood fever
    FS = flamespear
    EIF = explosive infestation
    IB = icy burst
    DC = dire corruption

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    #5

    34 Temp/ 32 RB/0 Para (OUT DATED)

    Rotation:
    Arc CP SS SP FB SP FS RS CP SP SP
    Arc SP SS CP FB FS LT

    Dps Quota: 4000

    Ability Listing:
    CP = Charged pulse
    SS = stone spear
    SP = Shock pulse
    FB = fiery burst
    IB = icy burst
    RS = Riftstorm
    LT = Lightning Torrent
    FS = flamespear

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    #6

    51 WL / 15 RB / 0 Temp

    Rotation:
    BS IT(PT) FS B TS B B B BE KOTH
    FB(EW) IT(PT) FS B IB B B FB B B B

    Dps Quota: 4200+

    Ability List:
    BS = battle surge
    IT(PT) = In to the breach->Piercing thrust
    B = Frost strike->Empowering strike
    TS = Tactical Surge
    BE = Battlefield Experiance
    KOTH = king of the hill
    FB(EW) = Fiery burst->Everything is a weapon
    IB = icy burst
    FB = fiery burst
    FS = flamespear

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    27 Para / 27BM / 12 RB

    Start up: CS CS CS TS
    Rotation: FI RW TS FS RW FB CS RW IB

    DPS Quota: 4400+

    Ability Listing:
    CS = cutting slash
    TS = tearing slash
    FI = fierce strike
    FS = flamespear
    RW = rising waterfall
    VB = vicious blow
    FB = fiery burst
    IB = icy burst

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    #8

    51 CH / 15 RB / 0 Temp

    Rotation:
    BR FS FB DS IB DS BF DS TI TS
    BR FS FB DS IB DS BF FS SS TS
    NOTE: Put a Mark on during every bull rush

    DPS Quota: 4000

    Ability Listing:
    BR = bull rush
    FS = flamespear
    FB = fiery burst
    DS = disruptive strike
    IB = icy burst
    BF = bladefury
    TI = titan strike
    TS = thunderous strike
    FS = frost strike
    SS = savage sweep


    Aoe DPS Quota: 7000

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    #9

    51 RB // 15 tempest / 0 para

    Rotation:
    FR RS FS FB SS B B IB B B B RI
    FR RS FS FB SS B B IB B B B IB

    NOTE: Require Fervor/living energy to stay afloat, use Planar blade !.

    DPS Quota: Slightly behind paragon at this lvl, better than paragon at lvl 60.

    Ability Breakdown
    Fr = frost strike
    Rs = Rift strike
    Fs = flame spear
    Fb = fiery burst
    SS = stone spear
    B = Riftwalk/Searing Strike
    IB = icy burst
    RI = Rift storm

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    ignore this!

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    Updated with 29-09 patch.

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    EDIT: Just saw your other post and yes you are seeing 7500 DPS atm so ya disregard my post below:

    Sorry not trying to be a bad. In your specs you state a DPS Quota:7500. Are you trying to say this is the DPS you expect to see from that build? Obviously this seems nuts so I just want to clarify. Can't wait to get in there and play around.

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    the paragon would do even more when they fix the swift strikes bug but i'm pretty sure they'll nerf paragon in some way since it's doing around 2k more than other dps specs from all classes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jodo View Post
    EDIT: Just saw your other post and yes you are seeing 7500 DPS atm so ya disregard my post below:

    Sorry not trying to be a bad. In your specs you state a DPS Quota:7500. Are you trying to say this is the DPS you expect to see from that build? Obviously this seems nuts so I just want to clarify. Can't wait to get in there and play around.
    it is not what i expect, it is what it does, and likely much higher now on those newly introduced raid debuffed dummies, i wouldnt be surprised if ppl are hitting 9k on those at 50.

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    I wouldn't expect it to be pulling those numbers for much longer. <hint hint>

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    Today's Patch Brought down all the Raid buff/debuff dummies, so if u are to parse this right now on normal dummies, expect numbers to be lowered, i tried to adjust the numbers based on my memory, but alas, i no longer know how much i parse on a non buffed dummy. however the relative difference between the specs should still remain in tact, for example paragon still rule in ST, but instead of the 7500+ quota, it will likely only do 6200 or so. (NOT SURE)

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    Us wars are so lucky for all this theorycrafting work in advance you've done Sharogy, thanks for making this all pubic!

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    Thumbs up

    Thanks for the start guys. I am looking forward to nerdiing out in ACT. Lol

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    Has anyone found a champion build that does not feel off?

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    the amount of balancing to be done is surprising. but this is my first time ive been involved in a beta so i dont know if this is typical or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerolicious View Post
    Has anyone found a champion build that does not feel off?
    No. Champ needs some love.

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    I can add a ST champ rotation i suppose, however for AOE it is pointless to have a lvl 50 rotation for obv reasons. *ADDED*

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    Quote Originally Posted by patiman View Post
    the amount of balancing to be done is surprising. but this is my first time ive been involved in a beta so i dont know if this is typical or not
    Happy birthday!

    More seriously, huge soul revamp means lots of balancing to be done. There's bugs that also make things more difficult to balance. Some skills not working as intended, others being mixed with other skills doing unforseen results, etc.


    Concerning Champion builds, I have yet to get a decent build + "rotation" to get decent ammount of AoE DPS and the ST DPS seems really low as well comparing it to even a 51 Tempest spec.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nsan1ty View Post
    Happy birthday!

    More seriously, huge soul revamp means lots of balancing to be done. There's bugs that also make things more difficult to balance. Some skills not working as intended, others being mixed with other skills doing unforseen results, etc.


    Concerning Champion builds, I have yet to get a decent build + "rotation" to get decent ammount of AoE DPS and the ST DPS seems really low as well comparing it to even a 51 Tempest spec.

    Not possible to have AOE rotation at lvl 50 for obvious reaosns.

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    @sharogy
    agreed ty for doing a lot of testing/research for warriors (and everyone else). i consider myself a decent theory crafter but not on ur level lol. i was trying 51para/10ch/5temp but the results weren't as good, but still too high ST dps compared to other classes from what ive seen

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    i hate u lol

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    Tested 51 Para / 15 RB / 0 Temp :: Parsed 6400 DPS on Dummy. At Level 50. 3 Pieces of ID Gears (non-relics), have 4 set Paragon T2 Crystal.

    I made a rough Champion spec, but it was mostly for AOE because it feels like every other AOE spec was having Energy Starvation issues. Did you encounter this Sharog?

    My Champ spec has a very specific rotation that I need to follow to maintain a 6000-7000 DPS on a 3-target Dummy over a 5-10 minute parse. I'm sure AOE trash fights wouldn't last that long, but yeah... But I really can't see this build being any good at this stage considering we won't get to see the beauty of some of the Warrior stuff until level 60 maybe... Any tips?

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    need both destroyer and reaper for champ aoe to be useful, Reaver is the best AOE soul of choice at this point. pair it up with some tempest or RB for best result. the paragon crystal seems to be bugged atm, giving way too much of a boost to finishers. but yeh, it is quite abit ahead atm

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    food for thought, if you are using 51 para/15 riftblade and you level to 51, i found it really nice to put the point in rb and get riftwalk, it hits like a truck, and i replace the SS on my dt/flurry rotation. hits for over 5k non crit

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